Humiliated at the drubbing that he received at the hands of this blog, the crank named “Britain Forward” has once again posted a new pack of lies, trying desperately to salvage some little bit of his smashed credibility.
While we were not going to respond any more, we could however not resist. It is such fun beating up an imbecile of Britain Forwards’ level, that it appealed to the ‘kick-him-when-he-is-down’ sense in us. So here are a few more comments:
BNP Leadership Election:
The Britain Forward lie: “The truth is that since 1999 NG has successfully tweaked our party’s constitution to reinforce his personal position and the positions of his cronies.”
The Truth: It is quite simple: contenders and the incumbent are not allowed to use party lists. As straight forward as that. They can do any other sort of campaigning they want, but the party infrastructure itself will not be used or abused by either the current leader, or a contender.
How much more simple can it be?
Obviously too complicated for Britain Forward’s addled brain.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
RWB
The Britain Forward lie: “Backward claims the farmer told the BNP to go because it was “the least economically viable for him”. In other words RWB is not the roaring success that our chairman has claimed in terms of income and numbers attending.”
The Truth: Britain Forward is not only a liar, but a very poor liar. As anyone reading that post can see (see the original below) the reference to “the least economically viable for him” was specifically made about the farmer. In other words, he took a commercial decision – other people offered him more money to use the site, and, as he is now limited as to the number of events he can hold a year, the farmer has chosen his top paying customers.
Really and truly, just when one had thought that Britain Forward had reached the bottom of the barrel, he comes up with something even more stupid. Quite incredible.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Sadie Graham
The Britain Forward lie: “. . .Blatant Bias Corporation or some other media organisation picks up on a rising star in our party doing martial arts and sharp shooting and accuses us of preparing to take over Britain by military means. Such an accusation is ridiculous as we all know but the image will remain in people’s minds.”
The Truth: How sad. In Britain Forward’s increasingly diseased mind, Sadie’s keep-fit regime has been elevated to preparations for a coup. Really, Britain Forward, do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “ Besides which, was Sadie’s gun and her use of it licensed?”
The Truth: “Her use of it licensed?” Ha Ha Ha Ha! Have you ever heard such nonsense?
Let’s see: how much does Britain Forward know about gun laws in Britain? Obviously nothing… do yourself a favour, Britain Forward, and find out about gun laws before you comment so foolishly.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Sadie’s martial arts skills seem not to have taught her actually to defend herself. When Sadie Graham was confronted by a drunken red thug who spat in her face, she stood there staring like a scared rabbit caught in the headlights of an approaching car.”
The Truth: Sadie was being interviewed by Sky TV at the time. So, according to Britain Forward’s logic, she should have leapt into action, karate-chopped and kicked the spitting red, all on camera, so that the media could make a feast of it ….. yes, well, now we know why Britain Forward is NOT leading the BNP, and we are thankful for that.
While we were not going to respond any more, we could however not resist. It is such fun beating up an imbecile of Britain Forwards’ level, that it appealed to the ‘kick-him-when-he-is-down’ sense in us. So here are a few more comments:
BNP Leadership Election:
The Britain Forward lie: “The truth is that since 1999 NG has successfully tweaked our party’s constitution to reinforce his personal position and the positions of his cronies.”
The Truth: It is quite simple: contenders and the incumbent are not allowed to use party lists. As straight forward as that. They can do any other sort of campaigning they want, but the party infrastructure itself will not be used or abused by either the current leader, or a contender.
How much more simple can it be?
Obviously too complicated for Britain Forward’s addled brain.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
RWB
The Britain Forward lie: “Backward claims the farmer told the BNP to go because it was “the least economically viable for him”. In other words RWB is not the roaring success that our chairman has claimed in terms of income and numbers attending.”
The Truth: Britain Forward is not only a liar, but a very poor liar. As anyone reading that post can see (see the original below) the reference to “the least economically viable for him” was specifically made about the farmer. In other words, he took a commercial decision – other people offered him more money to use the site, and, as he is now limited as to the number of events he can hold a year, the farmer has chosen his top paying customers.
Really and truly, just when one had thought that Britain Forward had reached the bottom of the barrel, he comes up with something even more stupid. Quite incredible.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Sadie Graham
The Britain Forward lie: “. . .Blatant Bias Corporation or some other media organisation picks up on a rising star in our party doing martial arts and sharp shooting and accuses us of preparing to take over Britain by military means. Such an accusation is ridiculous as we all know but the image will remain in people’s minds.”
The Truth: How sad. In Britain Forward’s increasingly diseased mind, Sadie’s keep-fit regime has been elevated to preparations for a coup. Really, Britain Forward, do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “ Besides which, was Sadie’s gun and her use of it licensed?”
The Truth: “Her use of it licensed?” Ha Ha Ha Ha! Have you ever heard such nonsense?
Let’s see: how much does Britain Forward know about gun laws in Britain? Obviously nothing… do yourself a favour, Britain Forward, and find out about gun laws before you comment so foolishly.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Sadie’s martial arts skills seem not to have taught her actually to defend herself. When Sadie Graham was confronted by a drunken red thug who spat in her face, she stood there staring like a scared rabbit caught in the headlights of an approaching car.”
The Truth: Sadie was being interviewed by Sky TV at the time. So, according to Britain Forward’s logic, she should have leapt into action, karate-chopped and kicked the spitting red, all on camera, so that the media could make a feast of it ….. yes, well, now we know why Britain Forward is NOT leading the BNP, and we are thankful for that.
Oh, and yes, what an "astonishingly good point." Let's get rid of Sadie because she did not kung-fu a spitting leftie on TV . . . now, that's the type of logic we urgently require....
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Mark Collett’s Printing Press that Never Was:
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards says that after the 2005 general election the four high quality digital duplicators, three folding machines and power guillotine bought for £70,000 were given to the regions and no longer kept for HQ jobs. In that case why do the party’s accounts, which do not include the regions, still show the party as owning the equipment centrally at 31 December 2005? Did the auditors check that the party owned the assets shown in the balance sheet, or did NG pull the wool over their eyes?”
The Truth: First, note how Britain Forward has tried to divert attention away from the fact that his original outrageous lie – that Mark Collett was in possession of a £70,000 printing press and was always late with leaflets etc” has vanished, and now the accusation is that the duplicators (note, not a “printing press" anymore) were not reflected on the 2005 accounts.
Anyway, the simple answer is that the shifted assets are only reflected on the 2006 accounts, which, we are told, are due any day now.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “And why does Backwards say the cost of the printing equipment was £70,000?”
The Truth: Because that was what the whole thing cost, peripherals included. The accounts figure of £51,671.13 did not include the peripherals associated with the duplicators.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “It seems that NG used Payne’s unrepentant national socialist beliefs as an excuse to remove this able man and replace him with a dishonest little spiv, namely Dave Hannam, who was only too willing to do his poetic master’s bidding.”
The Truth: Now isn’t that an insight into the thinking which dominates Britain Forward’s thinking. Actually, that quote is so good that we think it is best left standing by itself, and readers can form their own opinions on what exactly Britain Forward’s motivations are.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Dave Hannam
The Britain Forward lie: “On Dave Hannam’s criminal record, Backwards claims that Dave Hannam had nothing to do with Simon Sheppard’s leaflet that showed Hannam’s name and address as the originator. Dave Hannam was only 17 at the time and it is unlikely that a youth court would have sent him to prison for something he didn’t really do. Unless of course he had a long line of previous convictions.”
The Truth: The court records are open for inspection by anyone, and the facts of the case are well known. Sadly for Britain Forward, they contradict him completely.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
GWR
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards says there was no proposal to strike off Great White Records Ltd. This is untrue but we accept that the striking off notice has now been removed from the Companies House website.”
The Truth: Aha. So, first we note that Britain Forward remains silent about the fact that he could not understand the difference between “returns” and “accounts” . . . why, we wonder? Possibly because he does not want to draw attention to the fact that he obviously knows NOTHING about how these sorts of things are run.
Secondly, as detailed in our post below, the issue of GWR’s status was simply a question of Companies House not updating its records promptly. Sad to say for Britain Forward, because he does not understand anything at all, he misinterpreted that as meaning something else . . . oh dear, wrong again.
The Britain Forward lie: “We are surprised that Backwards compares Griffin’s poetry to that of John Lennon. We would have though there were plenty of patriotic nationalist poets around without singling out this drug-crazed lefty.”
The Truth: Quite amazing that Britain Forwards misreads our original posts time and time again. Obviously poor Britain Forward’s brain has been so severely embarrassed by his exposure as a clown, that what little remained of his intellectual ability vanished in a puff of rage.
Of course, the quote in question (read the original below) was meant as an example of how leftists have used music to influence society, and had nothing to do with “other” nationalist poets.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Welsh Assembly Reprise
The Britain Forward lie: “A couple of our Welsh supporters were outraged at being asked to finance our party’s campaign in Wales by sending their cash to a box number on the other side of England. Backwards says the appeal came under the aegis of the regional treasurer in Yorkshire. Why couldn’t a Welsh address have been used, especially seeing as the treasurer John Walker lives in Wales.”
The Truth: Oh dear, this is exactly the same “argument” as before. . . (see the original post below). As this has already been explained, readers are referred to the original post below, and we would like to apologise to them on Britain Forward’s behalf for such an idiotic repetition. At least we will not burden you with having to read it again. Those of you who have not seen it, are welcome to scroll down.
Security Department
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards spends a lot of time evading our questions”
The Truth: Not at all. Each and every specific question was answered in detail, and in particular the ones about the security department. Anyone reading the post (below) can see this for themselves. It is however an interesting insight into Britain Forward’s thought processes that he actually thinks people cannot see this for themselves.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies, and instead resorts to personal attacks on one person’s sex life. . . real political maturity there …
The Britain Forward lie: “. . . and responds with a lie to whether Mr and Mrs Reynolds are paid for their work. Perhaps not everyone is prepared to take the word of a recidivist Liverpool gangster, but Joey Owens says that when he was in charge of security for our chairman and party he was unpaid and did the job out of a feeling of duty. He says that NG told him that when the party could afford it he would be paid.”
The Truth: And? The point is? How does that disprove -- or prove – anything.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Overseas Funding
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards responded to our question with a blatant lie. Everybody knows that the trips to America and to visit wealthy supporters in Germany produce substantial funding for the party.”
The Truth: Britain Forward is revealing – once again – his complete ignorance of the law, which quite specifically states that no-one not on the UK electoral roll is allowed to donate more than £200 per year. This holds for all parties.
It is therefore, legally impossible to raise significant funds for the BNP overseas, no matter what frenzied thoughts run through Britain Forward’s mind.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Just listen to the appeal for funds at the New Orleans international conference hosed (sic, we think he means 'hosted,' but, given Britain Forward’s propensity for lying, we can’t be sure) by David Duke, which NG and Kevin Scott addressed. Taking money through the back door is going to leave us with the same reputation that Blair’s Labour Party has earned.”
The Truth: As usual, Britain Forward has twisted the story completely: Actually Nick Griffin told his American audience that they could NOT give money to the BNP, and, that if they wanted to help, they should give money to Civil Liberty, an organisation which was set up to help defend BNP members persecuted for their BNP activities.
Hear Nick Griffin’s exact words here, and see how blatantly Britain Forward has lied.
Nick Griffin’s Pay
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards says that NG’s pay is a matter of public record. Strangely it does not quote the figure but provides a link to an article in The Times which says he earns £1,800 a month.”
The Truth: And? The point was to show that it is no big secret, as Britain Forward was trying to make readers think…
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Gadaffi
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards tries to explain at great length why NG tried to tap Colonel Gaddafi for money but simply digs a deeper hole.”
The Truth: All the post below did was show that the belief – since rejected – that the Libyans would give money to the nationalist cause, was common in the 1980s, nothing more and nothing less. Obviously Britain Forward does not like the fact that his hero, John Tyndall, also supported Gadaffi. Too bad – those are the facts, and nothing Britain Forwards can say, will change them.
The Britain Forward lie: “What really insults the intelligence of our members is Backwards’ claim that the party did not know that the printer that produced several issues of Voice of Freedom was owned by Saudis.”
The Truth: The company’s name was Satellite Graphics, and no, there was no overt indication that a printing company based in Essex was foreign owned.
In any event, the real issue is: so what. When the ownership of the company was brought to light, the printing contract was ended, and that was that. Britain Forward’s attempts to make something else of this just reek of desperation.
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards challenge us over our “laughable ignorance international politics”.”
The Truth: Indeed. Anyone who can say that the Saudi Arabians support Osama Bin Laden is just a fool, plain and simple.
Bin Laden is a wanted man in that country, and no amount of squirming by an obviously embarrassed Britain Forwards can get away from this hilarious display of his crushing ignorance.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Abu Hamza
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards tries to excuse NG sharing a platform with Abu Hamza by saying that his participation in the Radio Academy event enabled him to promote the BNP to “300 of the most powerful people in British radio”. Backwards claims NG only took part in a panel discussion. We do not criticise NG’s attendance at such an event which let him meet the editors and journalists who are so often hostile to us. He even had the opportunity to meet government ministers such as Tessa Jowell the Arts Minister.”
The Truth: Look at that: “We do not criticise NG’s attendance at such an event which let him meet the editors and journalists who are so often hostile to us.”
Now, compare that to Britain Forward’s original line of argument: “And why in 2002 did Nick Griffin share a platform in Cambridge with the Muslim terrorist cleric Abu Hamza, who is now serving a long prison sentence for inciting murder?”
Now, let’s see: does anyone notice the backwards flip-flop here? Yes, we thought so… it’s so obvious that it is just laughable. Really, Britain Forward, you are going to have to do better than that if you think you are going to convince anyone…
The Britain Forward lie: “But it was not a panel discussion. The only person on the platform other than the discussion chairman was Abu Hamza”
The Truth: Yes it was a panel discussion, and Nick Griffin had no say over who else was on the platform, as detailed below.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Jonathan Bowden
The Britain Forward lie: “Hundreds of party members know that NG tried to warn Bowden off from speaking at meetings of proscribed organisations or sharing platform with individuals who had been proscribed or expelled from the BNP.”
The Truth: Note the sudden flip-flop with regard to Britain Forward’s original “argument” – having seen it exposed as a pack of lies (the “New Right group in London” and the “Bowden will never speak again at a BNP function” etc. etc.) Britain Forward tries to bluster over it by just not mentioning it any more, hoping that readers will be silly enough not to notice. Oh dear. We don’t think so….
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards goes on to sidestep the question of the BNP councillors present at the meeting organised by New Right where the speakers included a Muslim extremist and a pagan. Is this lack of discipline acceptable to NG because he fears an open battle within the party?”
The Truth: Britain Forwards doesn’t get it, does he? This was not a BNP function, and there were no disciplinary steps mooted against anyone.
Note Britain Forward’s side stepping of the issue of his objections to the “pagan” when his own self proclaimed hero, David Lane, was a vehement anti-Christian pagan. Hypocrisy? You decide.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Infiltration
The Britain Forward lie: “The fact is that South African intelligence offered Arthur Kemp a deal over the Chris Hani case and as a result he continued his intelligence gathering work for a new master in the Marxist ANC regime.”
There is of course, absolutely no evidence for this allegation whatsoever! In fact, as detailed below, the evidence shows very clearly that Arthur Kemp was spied upon, and did not spy for, anyone.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Mark Collett’s Printing Press that Never Was:
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards says that after the 2005 general election the four high quality digital duplicators, three folding machines and power guillotine bought for £70,000 were given to the regions and no longer kept for HQ jobs. In that case why do the party’s accounts, which do not include the regions, still show the party as owning the equipment centrally at 31 December 2005? Did the auditors check that the party owned the assets shown in the balance sheet, or did NG pull the wool over their eyes?”
The Truth: First, note how Britain Forward has tried to divert attention away from the fact that his original outrageous lie – that Mark Collett was in possession of a £70,000 printing press and was always late with leaflets etc” has vanished, and now the accusation is that the duplicators (note, not a “printing press" anymore) were not reflected on the 2005 accounts.
Anyway, the simple answer is that the shifted assets are only reflected on the 2006 accounts, which, we are told, are due any day now.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “And why does Backwards say the cost of the printing equipment was £70,000?”
The Truth: Because that was what the whole thing cost, peripherals included. The accounts figure of £51,671.13 did not include the peripherals associated with the duplicators.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “It seems that NG used Payne’s unrepentant national socialist beliefs as an excuse to remove this able man and replace him with a dishonest little spiv, namely Dave Hannam, who was only too willing to do his poetic master’s bidding.”
The Truth: Now isn’t that an insight into the thinking which dominates Britain Forward’s thinking. Actually, that quote is so good that we think it is best left standing by itself, and readers can form their own opinions on what exactly Britain Forward’s motivations are.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Dave Hannam
The Britain Forward lie: “On Dave Hannam’s criminal record, Backwards claims that Dave Hannam had nothing to do with Simon Sheppard’s leaflet that showed Hannam’s name and address as the originator. Dave Hannam was only 17 at the time and it is unlikely that a youth court would have sent him to prison for something he didn’t really do. Unless of course he had a long line of previous convictions.”
The Truth: The court records are open for inspection by anyone, and the facts of the case are well known. Sadly for Britain Forward, they contradict him completely.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
GWR
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards says there was no proposal to strike off Great White Records Ltd. This is untrue but we accept that the striking off notice has now been removed from the Companies House website.”
The Truth: Aha. So, first we note that Britain Forward remains silent about the fact that he could not understand the difference between “returns” and “accounts” . . . why, we wonder? Possibly because he does not want to draw attention to the fact that he obviously knows NOTHING about how these sorts of things are run.
Secondly, as detailed in our post below, the issue of GWR’s status was simply a question of Companies House not updating its records promptly. Sad to say for Britain Forward, because he does not understand anything at all, he misinterpreted that as meaning something else . . . oh dear, wrong again.
The Britain Forward lie: “We are surprised that Backwards compares Griffin’s poetry to that of John Lennon. We would have though there were plenty of patriotic nationalist poets around without singling out this drug-crazed lefty.”
The Truth: Quite amazing that Britain Forwards misreads our original posts time and time again. Obviously poor Britain Forward’s brain has been so severely embarrassed by his exposure as a clown, that what little remained of his intellectual ability vanished in a puff of rage.
Of course, the quote in question (read the original below) was meant as an example of how leftists have used music to influence society, and had nothing to do with “other” nationalist poets.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Welsh Assembly Reprise
The Britain Forward lie: “A couple of our Welsh supporters were outraged at being asked to finance our party’s campaign in Wales by sending their cash to a box number on the other side of England. Backwards says the appeal came under the aegis of the regional treasurer in Yorkshire. Why couldn’t a Welsh address have been used, especially seeing as the treasurer John Walker lives in Wales.”
The Truth: Oh dear, this is exactly the same “argument” as before. . . (see the original post below). As this has already been explained, readers are referred to the original post below, and we would like to apologise to them on Britain Forward’s behalf for such an idiotic repetition. At least we will not burden you with having to read it again. Those of you who have not seen it, are welcome to scroll down.
Security Department
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards spends a lot of time evading our questions”
The Truth: Not at all. Each and every specific question was answered in detail, and in particular the ones about the security department. Anyone reading the post (below) can see this for themselves. It is however an interesting insight into Britain Forward’s thought processes that he actually thinks people cannot see this for themselves.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies, and instead resorts to personal attacks on one person’s sex life. . . real political maturity there …
The Britain Forward lie: “. . . and responds with a lie to whether Mr and Mrs Reynolds are paid for their work. Perhaps not everyone is prepared to take the word of a recidivist Liverpool gangster, but Joey Owens says that when he was in charge of security for our chairman and party he was unpaid and did the job out of a feeling of duty. He says that NG told him that when the party could afford it he would be paid.”
The Truth: And? The point is? How does that disprove -- or prove – anything.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Overseas Funding
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards responded to our question with a blatant lie. Everybody knows that the trips to America and to visit wealthy supporters in Germany produce substantial funding for the party.”
The Truth: Britain Forward is revealing – once again – his complete ignorance of the law, which quite specifically states that no-one not on the UK electoral roll is allowed to donate more than £200 per year. This holds for all parties.
It is therefore, legally impossible to raise significant funds for the BNP overseas, no matter what frenzied thoughts run through Britain Forward’s mind.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Just listen to the appeal for funds at the New Orleans international conference hosed (sic, we think he means 'hosted,' but, given Britain Forward’s propensity for lying, we can’t be sure) by David Duke, which NG and Kevin Scott addressed. Taking money through the back door is going to leave us with the same reputation that Blair’s Labour Party has earned.”
The Truth: As usual, Britain Forward has twisted the story completely: Actually Nick Griffin told his American audience that they could NOT give money to the BNP, and, that if they wanted to help, they should give money to Civil Liberty, an organisation which was set up to help defend BNP members persecuted for their BNP activities.
Hear Nick Griffin’s exact words here, and see how blatantly Britain Forward has lied.
Nick Griffin’s Pay
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards says that NG’s pay is a matter of public record. Strangely it does not quote the figure but provides a link to an article in The Times which says he earns £1,800 a month.”
The Truth: And? The point was to show that it is no big secret, as Britain Forward was trying to make readers think…
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Gadaffi
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards tries to explain at great length why NG tried to tap Colonel Gaddafi for money but simply digs a deeper hole.”
The Truth: All the post below did was show that the belief – since rejected – that the Libyans would give money to the nationalist cause, was common in the 1980s, nothing more and nothing less. Obviously Britain Forward does not like the fact that his hero, John Tyndall, also supported Gadaffi. Too bad – those are the facts, and nothing Britain Forwards can say, will change them.
The Britain Forward lie: “What really insults the intelligence of our members is Backwards’ claim that the party did not know that the printer that produced several issues of Voice of Freedom was owned by Saudis.”
The Truth: The company’s name was Satellite Graphics, and no, there was no overt indication that a printing company based in Essex was foreign owned.
In any event, the real issue is: so what. When the ownership of the company was brought to light, the printing contract was ended, and that was that. Britain Forward’s attempts to make something else of this just reek of desperation.
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards challenge us over our “laughable ignorance international politics”.”
The Truth: Indeed. Anyone who can say that the Saudi Arabians support Osama Bin Laden is just a fool, plain and simple.
Bin Laden is a wanted man in that country, and no amount of squirming by an obviously embarrassed Britain Forwards can get away from this hilarious display of his crushing ignorance.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Abu Hamza
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards tries to excuse NG sharing a platform with Abu Hamza by saying that his participation in the Radio Academy event enabled him to promote the BNP to “300 of the most powerful people in British radio”. Backwards claims NG only took part in a panel discussion. We do not criticise NG’s attendance at such an event which let him meet the editors and journalists who are so often hostile to us. He even had the opportunity to meet government ministers such as Tessa Jowell the Arts Minister.”
The Truth: Look at that: “We do not criticise NG’s attendance at such an event which let him meet the editors and journalists who are so often hostile to us.”
Now, compare that to Britain Forward’s original line of argument: “And why in 2002 did Nick Griffin share a platform in Cambridge with the Muslim terrorist cleric Abu Hamza, who is now serving a long prison sentence for inciting murder?”
Now, let’s see: does anyone notice the backwards flip-flop here? Yes, we thought so… it’s so obvious that it is just laughable. Really, Britain Forward, you are going to have to do better than that if you think you are going to convince anyone…
The Britain Forward lie: “But it was not a panel discussion. The only person on the platform other than the discussion chairman was Abu Hamza”
The Truth: Yes it was a panel discussion, and Nick Griffin had no say over who else was on the platform, as detailed below.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Jonathan Bowden
The Britain Forward lie: “Hundreds of party members know that NG tried to warn Bowden off from speaking at meetings of proscribed organisations or sharing platform with individuals who had been proscribed or expelled from the BNP.”
The Truth: Note the sudden flip-flop with regard to Britain Forward’s original “argument” – having seen it exposed as a pack of lies (the “New Right group in London” and the “Bowden will never speak again at a BNP function” etc. etc.) Britain Forward tries to bluster over it by just not mentioning it any more, hoping that readers will be silly enough not to notice. Oh dear. We don’t think so….
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards goes on to sidestep the question of the BNP councillors present at the meeting organised by New Right where the speakers included a Muslim extremist and a pagan. Is this lack of discipline acceptable to NG because he fears an open battle within the party?”
The Truth: Britain Forwards doesn’t get it, does he? This was not a BNP function, and there were no disciplinary steps mooted against anyone.
Note Britain Forward’s side stepping of the issue of his objections to the “pagan” when his own self proclaimed hero, David Lane, was a vehement anti-Christian pagan. Hypocrisy? You decide.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
Infiltration
The Britain Forward lie: “The fact is that South African intelligence offered Arthur Kemp a deal over the Chris Hani case and as a result he continued his intelligence gathering work for a new master in the Marxist ANC regime.”
There is of course, absolutely no evidence for this allegation whatsoever! In fact, as detailed below, the evidence shows very clearly that Arthur Kemp was spied upon, and did not spy for, anyone.
But never let the facts get in the way, hey Britain Forward? Just make up allegations, with no proof whatsoever, and hope that someone will believe it… sorry, you will have to do better than that.
And, of course, Britain Forward is at a loss to explain exactly why the ANC would consider the BNP such a priority that they would expend all their time and effort infiltrating it . . . as if somehow the BNP was the single greatest threat to the South African state! It is so silly that it is hilarious, but, of course, we have come to expect nothing of better quality from Britain Forwards.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards claims Arthur’s book nowhere said that Nieuwhof got a 12-year sentence. True the present internet version no longer contains this statement but it was certainly in the old printed version.”
The Truth: So, Britain Forward says the “old printed version” of Arthur Kemp’s book claimed that Lambertus Nieuwhof got a 12-year sentence.
Well, now, that is strange: The “old printed version” of Arthur Kemp’s book on the AWB was published in 1990. Here, look it up on Amazon.com and see the publication date for yourself.
Now, Lambertus Nieuwhof’s activites with the AWB – for which he was arrested, took place in 1992. See here.
And, of course, Britain Forward is at a loss to explain exactly why the ANC would consider the BNP such a priority that they would expend all their time and effort infiltrating it . . . as if somehow the BNP was the single greatest threat to the South African state! It is so silly that it is hilarious, but, of course, we have come to expect nothing of better quality from Britain Forwards.
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Backwards claims Arthur’s book nowhere said that Nieuwhof got a 12-year sentence. True the present internet version no longer contains this statement but it was certainly in the old printed version.”
The Truth: So, Britain Forward says the “old printed version” of Arthur Kemp’s book claimed that Lambertus Nieuwhof got a 12-year sentence.
Well, now, that is strange: The “old printed version” of Arthur Kemp’s book on the AWB was published in 1990. Here, look it up on Amazon.com and see the publication date for yourself.
Now, Lambertus Nieuwhof’s activites with the AWB – for which he was arrested, took place in 1992. See here.
Once again, Britain Forward is simply lying: Lambertus Nieuwhof was never even mentioned in the “old printed version” of Arthur Kemp’s book – because the book was published TWO YEARS BEFORE Lambertus Nieuwhof ever even did anything! Never mind him being tried for anything!
Yet another unbelievably pathetic LIE from Britain Forward.
In fact, the astonishing capacity of Britain Forward to lie endlessly, has quickly become his most prominent feature.
It is sad when someone has to lie. But it is even sadder when someone uses lies which are so easily disproved and so blatant. Britain Forward must think that the readers of this and his blog are fools . . .
Note once again how Britain Forward conveniently ignores the fact that his original “argument” (about Lambertus Nieuwhof having been a “Special Forces” solder) has been exposed as a pack of lies…
The Britain Forward lie: “Robert Bailey had what John le Carré’s spy novels called “a legend” created either by himself or by his masters. It is almost certain he did serve in the Royal Marine commandos. However although he has mentioned a number of locations where he served, our checks revealed that before coming back to Britain he was operating in Algeria, a place he never mentioned. What was he doing there?”
The Truth: Given Britain Forward’s proven propensity for outright lies (see the above one about Lambertus Nieuwhof as a good example), please tell us why on earth anyone would believe outrageous anonymous allegations like this?
Maybe the best response to this type of anonymous rubbish is to make up a smear of our own: “Our sources have revealed to us that Britain Forward is in fact being paid by Gerry Gable.”
Oh, wait, sorry, that is not so outrageous after all, in fact, it is distinctly possible! Sorry!
Who is to Blame?
The Britain Forward lie: “Last week’s by-elections showed that we are still not winning. Yes there were two or three quite good percentages including some second places”
The Truth: the BNP polled over 25% in Birmingham, and beat all other takers into second place. This confirms that the BNP’s national support base is now well into the double figures . . . a remarkable first for ANY nationalist party in British electoral history . . . yet Britain Forward still tried to tell his readers that this is somehow “poor.”
Incredible. Obviously Britain First would like the BNP to return to the days under John Tyndall when it used to get a derisory vote of 12 or 20 in a parliamentary seat. . .
Don Black
The Britain Forward lie: “The facts belie NG’s claim of not having any links with Don Black. They were photographed together at a conference in New Orleans”
Don Black appeared at the same conference and was photographed with Nick Griffin.
It is a staggering leap of logic (but not something to which Britain Forward is unaccustomed) to take that as meaning Nick Griffin can personally censor Stormfront, which is what Britain Forward’s original allegation said.
Once again, all we can say is, how pathetic.
It would actually be good to get some real questions, with actual facts. But we are obviously not going to get any of those from Britain Forward. Too bad.
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